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  1. I think you’re spot-on, Sara. As you well know, I went through a similar odyssey asking what we mean by empowerment; you (via your fellow Parky Fulvio Capitano) led me in 2013 to the World Bank’s work, which I continue to quote today (as the Bank’s writings on the subject evolve).

    I agree that “engagement” in the two examples you cite has fundamentally different functions and meanings and that the lack of definitions is problematic. I want to propose two thoughts in response.

    First, I’m worried about the term “secondary,” because it connotes a couple of things that I don’t think you intended: “less important” (as in, “xyz is not one of our primary concerns”) and/or “subsequent,” as in a secondary effect.

    Second, I’ve always intuited (but never pursued) that a fundamental difference between types of engagement is *what valuable things occur* when each type of engagement is done well. Example: engagement in the clinical relationship includes patient-defined objectives, which improves the odds of a happy outcome for the patient, and includes shared decision making, which has been well documented to have all sorts of value. But neither of those things occurs in the example of co-design or co-production of a clinical trial; other things of value happen there. (Yes?)

    And all that make me think back to Feb 2013, when Health Affairs had a feature issue “New Era of Patient Engagement.” A telling flaw in that issue is that they never defined the term! And every article seemed to have a different *implied* definition – sound familiar??

    The article that was relevant for us today is about different *types* of engagement, by Kristin Carman et al at A.I.R., though it didn’t touch on research. The article is here https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2012.1133 and the key graphic is here https://www.healthaffairs.org/cms/10.1377/hlthaff.2012.1133/asset/images/medium/2012.1133figex1.jpeg
    The Y axis moves from direct care (your “primary engagement”) to organizational design (hospital management) then up to policy making (state & national). And the X axis mirrors the levels of engagement in Arnstein’s Ladder of Citizen Participation: “consult”, “involvement” (SDM), and shared leadership.

    I hope this will help in your pursuit of this worthy subject!

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